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Hate Crime that happened in Washington State, description and what-not past this link.

In short, a group of furs got jumped by a pair of gay-bashers of the second-worst type, and two physically assaulted. If you live in or near the Bellevue, WA (Washington State, USA for out-of-USAers) or even in nearby states, please read the link, and post a note there if you see anything to help.

Re: Myself as well.

Date: 2003-08-15 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] banner.livejournal.com
Just a few notes.

1) handguns with real stopping power.

That all comes down to what you know. A 22 doesn't really have any stopping power to speak of. HOWEVER, I can show you higher caliber rounds that will drop the most drugged up addict in the world on the spot, but won't penitrate a house wall. (Pre-fragmented anti-personel rounds for example. Yes you can buy these).

2) grappling

The idea of the gun is that you shoot them before they get that close. Once you pull it, if they take just ONE more step towards you, you start pulling the trigger and you don't stop until they are dead, and you are out of bullets.

3) knowing what you'll do in combat

Train train train train. Train like you fight and you'll fight like you train. I know this from personal experiance (I used to teach martial arts at an academy).

4) people looking for fights win or lose

Yes, these people do exist. But they usually don't pick up weapons, they tend to go to 'fight bars' (Yes, these places DO EXIST! You just have to know how to find them). These guys were cowards, plain and simple. They wanted to beat some other people into the dirt to make themselves feel strong and virile. As SOON as they see that they might get really hurt, they run. Just the sight of a gun would have ended this before it began.

Re: Myself as well.

Date: 2003-08-15 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfwings.livejournal.com
Point 1: True.
Point 2: True.
Point 3: True.
Point 4: True.

The problem is, most guns come with slug ammo, not flechette or pre-frag. And most people don't even know the other two exist, or that they're legal for almost anyone to purchase.

Again, I agree with you on all points. But firearms take just as much training as any other form of self-defense, while most people view them as an instant cure-all like Prozac and it's siblings are for ones emotions. :-)

And I agree. If you pull a gun, and they do any movement except away from you or straight down face-first onto the ground (depending on what you said) the bullets start going off. Not into the air, not into the ground by their feet, at them. You pulled the trump card, be prepared to play it if they called your bluff, or don't play high-stakes like that.

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