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Casually discussing a technical problem with a house-mate that works in IT as well: Just upgraded the core switch at a friend's house to gigabit, had someone in the house make a quick test to/from the NAS I set up for them, still only getting 5 megabytes/second throughput. Mention 'whew, there, ethtool set up... yeah, the NAS is running gigabit' casually, and start discussing it with my housemate. Only option since the other server we tested from, under Linux, claims gigabit support at full and half duplex.

So I mention, "Either the cable's lost one of the non-crucial pairs on the home-run or his patch cable, or the plugs have a fouled pin somewhere along the way." Housemate mentions, "No, that'd stop even 100-Base," and it degrades quickly when I mention, "Um... 100-Base only requires two pairs, gigabit requires four pairs," as he thinks 100-base-T also requires all four pairs.

I just got quiet, pulled up the spec, and verified. Nope, 100-Base-T requires two-pair CAT-5 or better cabling. 1000-Base-TX requires four-pair CAT-5 or better, with CAT-5e or CAT-6 recommended to improve tolerances. Mention this, apparently that was pushing too far... =-.-=

I just saw a technical question, with a possible technical counter-point raised, and so I figured, "Go check the spec," while my housemate saw it as, "RAR! Won't stop arguing until you admit I'm right!" mentality, and I didn't realize it could be interpreted that way. *sighs* Sorry?

Anyways... yeah, rant over.

Date: 2010-04-11 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tdiwolf.livejournal.com
I don't fault you for this, I fault your housemate for being "trained" if that's safe to say and not knowing this in the first place. You did nothing wrong by bringing this to his attention, even educating him on it. I think the situation would have been handled better if both sides not just one were able to sit, listen and then say "I'm sorry, my mistake."

Date: 2010-04-11 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whyrl.livejournal.com
I agree with this. Claims need to be backed up with evidence!

Date: 2010-04-11 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfwings.livejournal.com
IEEE 802.3-2008 Standard, Section 2, p.177 for 100BASE-TX and IEEE 802.3-2008 Standard, Section 3, p.153 for 1000BASE-T.

And despite what many Gigabit network cards/ports say, they're not actually using 1000BASE-TX, which is the 'single twisted pair of CAT6+ wire required' standard never ratified by the IEEE, only TIA. 1000BASE-T only requires CAT5e wiring still.

Since ya' asked and stuff. :-)

Date: 2010-04-12 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dennisthetiger.livejournal.com
What he said.

Date: 2010-04-11 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lironess.livejournal.com
Ok, I have been biting my tongue all day and it is getting sore.

Woofie, you know I love you right?

But I have to say that when you lived here I did notice that you had a tendency to act and sound like you knew everything. There I said it. It was kind of irritating but I love you anyways.

Perhaps you can kind of watch yourself to see if you are still coming across that way. If you are this could be part of what happened today, even though you were right it may have been the last straw kind of thing.

The only thing I can think of that may have helped is to go "hey! That is really weird. I hear that it only requires two pairs. Hey, let's go look it up and see...." which is not much different but may make it seem more like you are on the same team clearing up confusion rather than "YOU ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!! People HATE to be wrong. Heinlein said "if you prove that you are right in an argument, apologies at once." I would not take it that far but maybe past issues and delivery are part of how people are misinterpreting what you are trying to say....


Date: 2010-04-11 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfwings.livejournal.com
Thank you. This was the explanation I was lacking as to what went wrong to make things fall apart like they did. *hugs back tightly*

And I miss seeing you, and everyone else out there, hon. I don't regret leaping when I did across the country, but I do miss everything I left behind in the process.

Date: 2010-04-11 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] black-xander.livejournal.com
I never understood technical arguments. D:

I posted to my journal once how I was considering switching to Linux because of various issues I kept having. I didn't know much about it and asked for some advice/info. It turned into an all out flame war because someone said ''Windows sucks!'' and this other guy was like ''but I work on Windows for a living it doesn't suck!'' and got pissed all to hell. The one guy contacted me via private message later and was saying how angry and fumed he was at the guy just for saying he hated Windows. WHOTHEFUCKCARES?!?! It's like arguing over which brand of toaster they like better and the one guy burnt his toast in the other guys favorite toaster and WHOTHEFUCKCARES.

It's even worse when people are arguing over more solid, non-opinionated technical information, as with your friend. It's like arguing about math.

Date: 2010-04-11 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfwings.livejournal.com
Yeah... there's far too many Linux zealots out there, and I say that as someone that uses Linux a lot for work, home, and gaming even. =-.-=

Windows and Linux both work well for their respective things, the only real complaint I have about Windows is how heavilly the newer versions hide any way to do diagnostics or low-level changes when/if something goes wrong, versus XP or older, and versus Linux both.

Beyond that gripe that is only a gripe to techy-users like myself, they're both perfectly good platforms for a ton of stuff.

Date: 2010-04-12 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dennisthetiger.livejournal.com
I liken it like this.

I don't use Windows at home because I prefer Linux.

Likewise, I don't eat brussels sprouts, because I don't like them.

Date: 2010-04-12 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] black-xander.livejournal.com

And I was like...okay I like brussel sprouts, but would I like bean sprouts better?

And Guy 1 was like I hate brussel sprouts.


It turned out Windows was more compatible with my type of work anyway, and the pros outweighed the cons for me. That's all I wanted to know. In an objective non-emotional manner. D:

Date: 2010-04-12 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uplinktruck.livejournal.com
I've never understood people that get upset when they are wrong on a technical point. I would rather be shown the error of my way then continue to be wrong.
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